Why Not Completing a VET program in VCE?

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Photo: Unsplash

Yes, why not? A VET Program or Certificate can contribute as an entire subject to your VCE. In other words, you can replace one of your six subjects with a Certificate in Hospitality, Retail, IT and many other areas.

Let me repeat that. You can REPLACE an ENTIRE SUBJECT of your VCE with a CERTIFICATE.

And that is AWESOME for so many reasons.

1. Certificates are not graded like VCE subjects.

When I was in high school 10,000 years ago, I worked at Video Ezy for a few hours every Saturday. While at work, my boss arranged for me to complete a Certificate II & III in Retail with Franklyn Scholar. To complete the Certificates, all I had to do is answering questions in workbooks. Most of the questions were fairly straightforward, such as “What should you do if a customer is behaving suspiciously in the store?” and “Should you count money while a customer is still in the store?”.  In the end, I received a “Satisfactory” and was awarded the Certificates at the end of the year.

Because VET certificate only has Satisfactory/Unsatisfactory benchmarks, you will not have the same pressure to get an A+, and will not have to dedicate as much time and effort to them. As a result, you can spend more time and effort on other subjects.  

2.  Having a professional certificate on your resume straight out of high school is incredibly helpful when applying for part time jobs, programs and scholarships.

Consider that most people have less than one whole page on their resumes after high school: you already have a leg up.

3. Your certificate may be directly relevant to what you want to study in the future.

There are certificates in a multitude of areas, ranging from Health Support Services, IT , Fashion Design, Dance, Music to Engineering. The sky is the limit!

4. Your certificate can really help boost your ATAR.

When I was doing VCE, because I had not planned properly, I did seven VCE Unit 3&4 subjects. However, your ATAR score only takes into account six subjects. Also, the top four scoring subjects, one of which must be an English subject, count 100% of their study scores towards your ATAR, whilst the two lowest subjects count only 10% of their scores towards your ATAR.

Based on that ruling, my lowest subject (7th subject) - Maths Methods - was obviously out.

But here's the funny part: even Legal Studies - my second lowest subject - also DID NOT COUNT AT ALL towards my ATAR.

Why was that the case?

Well, first and foremost, apparently with the Certificate, I actually did 8 subjects. They were:

1.     History: Revolutions (Raw Score: 40)

2.     Literature (Raw Score: 39)  

3.     English (Raw Score: 38)

4.     Religion & Society (Raw Score: 34)

5.     Texts & Traditions (Raw Score: 32)

6.     Certificate II & III in Retail (N/A)

7.    Legal Studies (Raw Score: 32)

8.     Maths: Methods (Raw Score: 28)

Secondly, it's important to remember that your ATAR score is different from your study score. While your study score is based on your performance, your ATAR score is scaled based on how fierce the competition is that year. Each subject is given an aggregate score, or a certain number of points, based on your scaled ATAR study score.

Because the Certificate uses the satisfactory/unsatisfactory grading system, its aggregate score is calculated based on 10% of the average of my top 4 scores. As the average of my top four scores was 38, 10% of it would be 3.8.  As a result, my aggregate score for Certificate in Retail turned out to be higher than my aggregate score for Legal Studies (32 Raw).

That was why Certificate II and II replaced my Legal Studies to be the sixth subject in the ATAR calculation, and the addition of 3.8 points to my total aggregate score helped me to push just over a 90 ATAR.

An example of VCE ATAR results, mine from 2012

An example of VCE ATAR results, mine from 2012

In short, if you choose to go this route, theoretically your VET program should provide a better score than an alternative VCE subject because it's based on your best subjects. And if you’re a good student, the more points you will get.

5. Conclusion: Be strategic when choosing VCE subjects

Oh the pain

Oh the pain


This is a picture of the flashcards for History and Legal Studies I made in VCE. If I had properly planned my VCE, I would not have made half of these flashcards, and saved countless, COUNTLESS hours pouring over my Legal Studies textbook and trying to fix my Methods grades.

Here is the moral of this tragic story: if you are in high school, especially Year 10s, you should seriously consider not only what subjects you need for uni, not only what subjects you like, but what subjects are most strategic to get the best possible ATAR.

Remember, it’s important to work hard, but you should also learn how to work smart.

If you decide to complete a VET Program, please let Happy Brain or your careers counselor at school know so that we can email the VCAA and make sure the program you choose is eligible.

This blog post is contributed by Rafal Hassan, one of HBE tutors. If you want to ask her more about her experience and tips, please email her at rafal@happybrain.org.au

Science vs Biomedicine at the University of Melbourne- Which should I choose? 

Hey guys,

We’ve compiled the perspectives of two students at the University of Melbourne, Jasmin who is completing a Bachelor of Biomedicine, and our very own Happy Brain: Yusuf, who is completing a Bachelor of Science. Hopefully, their perspectives of the two degrees will make the preferences process on VTAC easier for you.

Before we dive straight in, let us inform you on how the UniMelb system works. During undergraduate studies at UniMelb, each semester has 3 core subjects and 1 breadth (a subject which is from a different area of study than the degree which you are enrolled in). In first year Biomed, your core subjects are: 2 Biology units, 2 Maths/statistics for Biomed units, a Chemistry unit and Physics for Biomed. That’s all set in stone, and the only choice you make in first year is your breadths.

Whereas in Science this year, the only prerequisite subjects required for the pre-med pathway were a Biology and Chemistry* unit in each semester – leaving a vacant core slot in both semesters for any Science subject you desire. Whether it be Physics, Psychology, Calculus, another Biology or Geography subject, you decide! Additionally, this can allow for more “strategic” subject choices in an effort for boosting your all-important GPA. Basic subjects (e.g. Astronomy) are both engaging and eye-opening and they allow you to attain easy marks with minimal work, giving you more time to focus on more demanding subjects like Chemistry.

*It is possible to only take 1 Chemistry subject in first year Science by taking “Advanced Chemistry for Biosciences” in Semester 1, compared to the conventional Chemistry 1 & 2. Thus opening up another vacant core subject slot*

Jasmin Dabboucy – Bachelor of Biomedicine

ATAR: 98.90

Entering the third year of my Bachelor of Biomedicine at the University of Melbourne, I’ve had an overall positive experience with the course and no regrets about pursuing it. With a fairly high clearly-in ATAR and an allure for people aiming for Medicine, the course does involve a bit of competition. But it’s not as brutal as some make it out to be. Of course, you have some tunnel-minded people who seem to care only about themselves, but overall we support each other. Our cohort is relatively small compared to Science (~500 vs 2500) so most of us know each other and we see the same faces in our core subjects. On our Facebook page, people are always posting resources to help their colleagues, not undermine them. Competition exists in any course: the pressure is just turned up a notch in Biomed. You have to decide whether that’s something that you can handle.

The fact that Biomed has core subjects is another thing to consider. The course is tailored to get you into postgraduate health courses (cough medicine cough), making life a lot easier because you don’t have to stress about choosing the right prerequisites and meeting the quota. On the downside, the cores limit your choice of subjects. For me, this wasn’t really a problem, since I was always health-focussed and that’s an aspect of the course that really appealed to me (over BSc). If you relish the freedom of choice, Science is probably better for you.

If you’re wondering whether Science is just the easier version of Biomed, don’t. You basically end up doing the equivalent of Biomed subjects in BSc if you want the same postgrad degree, so it probably isn’t much easier (…except maybe third year). Either way, don’t let the fear of difficulty overwhelm you and hinder your potential to do well.

So, choosing between Biomed and Science and you have a high enough ATAR for both? Go for Biomed if you’re keen on a health postgrad, enjoy meeting a high standard of work, and like tight-knit groups with a more particular focus. Go for Science if you’d like a wider breadth of experience/choice in the field and a social community with more diverse future goals.

Feel free to contact me at jasmindabboucy@hotmail.com if you have any questions about Biomed!

Yusuf Hassan – Bachelor of Science

ATAR: 99.75

If I had a dollar for every time I’ve been asked, “So Yusuf, why didn’t you do Biomed having been given an offer?” it would be unnecessary for me to pursue postgraduate studies, since I would be financially stable well into retirement. Jokes aside, I chose the UniMelb Bachelor of Science in favour of Biomedicine for its course flexibility and slightly reduced workload.

In Science, you only need to take three medical prerequisites in 2nd year to meet the MD application criteria. That’s it. The rest of 2nd and 3rd year are completely up to you and your interests. While in Biomed, you have only 1 vacant core slot, each semester, to make your own subject choices.  In 3rd Year, Science students have full licence to choose any subjects to complete their desired major, including many majors that are listed under Biomedicine. Personally, I’m looking to major in Human Structure and Function (Anatomy), which is technically a Biomedical major, yet I’m a Science student. Keep in mind that although the Science faculty shares all the majors offered by the Biomed department, a multitude of Science majors aren’t offered to Biomedicine students (such as Marine Biology and Chemistry) – which may be irrelevant if your heart is set on a medical career, but it’s nice to have such options nonetheless.

* Say for example you love chemistry and want to do medicine, the flexibility of B-Sci will allow you to complete a Chemistry major whilst also fulfilling the medicine pre-reqs *

Having completed my first year of Science, do I regret turning down the temptation of the “prestigious” and much sought-after Biomedicine offer? Certainly not! Talking with my Biomed friends, comparing course structures, I enjoy the freedom and “strategic” subject choices that Science provides. However, the B-Sci isn’t flawless. It does come with a few downsides. Firstly, you will encounter a terrifying B-word during your first year Biology studies. It will haunt you and drive you to mind-numbing boredom. BOTANY. Okay, it isn’t that bad, but it is rather frustrating at times. However, personally I’d choose 4 weeks of botany over a year of compulsory high level maths any day. Secondly, and probably the most impactful to your overall University experience is the nature of the cohort. With over 2000 students and a considerably lower clearly-in ATAR, it’s understandable that you won’t get to know everyone in the course nor will all your classmates be as studious as you are. Yet, I haven’t found this to be a problem at all. Once you find a few like-minded friends, you’ll be fine. And your classmates and practical partners are usually very friendly and cooperative. On the other hand, due to its higher clearly-in ATAR, Biomed students are naturally more motivated, which can be a positive environment if you’re the type of student who needs to be pushed. Yet, extreme competition can become unhealthy at times and only augment your stress levels.

*Competition does exist within the B-Sci: it starts to surface within the second year, especially in subjects which are prerequisites for medicine and allied health masters courses *

Lastly, some may say choosing Science over Biomed is “wasting” your ATAR, by choosing the supposed “inferior” degree. Yet, let me assure you that all your fantastic work over the past 2 years haven’t been in vain. Firstly, your excellent work ethic and study habits will hold you in good stead to tackle any University coursework you encounter – to hopefully achieve outstanding results. Furthermore, if your ultimate goal is Postgraduate Medicine/Dentistry or another Health Science, it’s important that you do what is in your best interests in achieving such an offer. While Biomedicine may outline a course plan tailored for future medical students, such a pathway can be replicated through Science – yet completely on your terms and without needless difficulty. Finally, a noteworthy fact for those who achieved ATARs >99.00, you are entitled to a guaranteed full fee paying spot in any postgraduate course (E.g. Medicine/Dentistry), without the need to sit the GAMSAT, as long as you maintain a 75% average over the course of your B-Sci or B-Biomed and perform a satisfactory interview. A possible backup plan if you’re unsuccessful in your application for a CSP place.

Ultimately, whichever course you choose, you’ll have to apply yourself to the best of your ability in order to create a competitive postgraduate application. However, I believe you reap more reward for such efforts through the B-Sci – by playing towards your strengths with subject selections. If you’re confident in your work ethic, definitely choose Science as a more pleasant road to the postgraduate health science in which you are in total control. Conversely, if you only work well under intense pressure and competition, B-Biomed may be the type of environment you require in order to motivate yourself in your pursuit of excellence. While it may seem to be the biggest decision of your life thus far, things aren’t as definitive as you think. I know of two contrasting anecdotes; one where someone transferred from B-Biomed to Science and one where the exact opposite took place. Speaking to both, they personally felt like they’d made a change for the better – be it for the reduced workload/stress or the increase in competition and motivation. Hence, transferring after 1st year is also a possibility. Either way, you’re still joining the UniMelb Squad – meaning I’ll get to see brilliant Happy Brainers around campus!!

Hope my rambling provided some insight to make your decision a little easier!

Feel free to ask any further questions via my email: yusuf@happybrain.org.au.

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